What is with the Christian persecution complex?
Written by admin on September 30, 2008 – 3:46 pm -really if you break it down it pretty much comes to this.
"You are persecuting me by not allowing me to persecute everybody else."
i do not want to hear about what happens to Christians in Muslim countries, they would treat an Atheist or Pagan the same.
Where do you get off living in America and claiming persecution. the laws of the country are geared towards your beliefs.
so they do not sanction prayers in school and government buildings big deal, that means everybody not just you. everything else is either already geared to your religion, or legislation is in effect to make it so.
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Mel,
the country was not founded on christian beliefs, it was founded on the beliefs of freedom for everybody.
over the past 200 years the christian majority has put their beliefs into law whenever possible, so the laws reflect the christian religious moral beliefs.
removal of religion from government and publis institutions is not persecution.
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serena, you ask
I would like to see your statistics proving that 120,000 thousand atheists are martyred for their non-faith every year."
Ummm i might be wrong here, but i do not recall ever saying anything about atheist's being killed for their non belief.
as far as why i direct my questions to America, I live in America as to the people that i was addressing. and it was relevant to the context of my question. in the countries that CHristians are persecuted for their beliefs, Pagans would be given the same treatment, and much of that is not so much anti christian but anti-American. people seem unable to tell the difference sometimes.
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Rose Within,
please site locations and the relevant local LAWS that prevent people from displaying the Nativity in their own property. and likewise for the Church. court cases that upheld these laws would be adiquate. If you cannot do this then your arguement holds no water.
and the swore a man in by his religion run for the hills they RESPECTED somebody else. You make no mention of the other congressmen and senatore/judges/ and local officials that are sworn in on the Bible every day. but one Muslim if allowed his religious freedom that our constitution grants and it is persecution to you. you make my point very clear for me thank you for cementing my point.
Rose Within.
Show me a likn to a court case where somebody was told to take a nativity scene from their PRIVATE LAND.
this would indicate persecution.
You cannot display your religion on public land just as i can not display mine. this is fairness not persecution.
and you may forget. that everyone in this country except the NATIVE AMERICANS came here form forign countries. that arguement fails to hold water.
Christians are treated with more respect and have more laws working for them than any other religion in this country. but anytime that the country makes an attempt to be FAIR to somebody else you claim Persecution. YES i CALL MYSELF AN AMERICAN. My family did the scribe work on the constitution and the decleration of independence. my family fought in the civil war. my father was in Vietnam and my grandfather won the Navy Cross in WWII
I would probably be in iraq right now if it were not for a knee surgery.
my family has fought and died to defend your right to be a Bigot. and when they were fighting and dieing they were beside
Japanese/Korean/Native American/ Black/ White/Christian/Muslim/Jew/Pagan and Atheist. if there is one thing to be learned from the tragic wars of this country it is that people of all races and religions fight to protect the rights of people that HATE them.
you make me sick.
I've asked this exact question several times…and was told that by removing them from the schools and laws, we were discriminating against them.
They feel that supporting gay marriage is forcing that belief on them.
They feel that questioning their beliefs is a form of persecution.
I propose we send them all to Saudi Arabia for a week. They can then learn the difference between persecution and politics.
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By fourmorebeers on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
Part of the mindset, pity them.
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By 2fnbad on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
Christians are brainwashed
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By Laptop Jesus 2.0 on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
Oh sure! You say that like they live in a country with Christian bookstores, Christian Universities, Christian TV channels and everything. As if their president and most of their congress was Christian.
Oh….wait….!
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By fireball226 on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
No im not Just answering ques
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By Aaron on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
I've asked this exact question several times…and was told that by removing them from the schools and laws, we were discriminating against them.
They feel that supporting gay marriage is forcing that belief on them.
They feel that questioning their beliefs is a form of persecution.
I propose we send them all to Saudi Arabia for a week. They can then learn the difference between persecution and politics.
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By Lökásennä on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
I don't know…one Christian lady on here told me I was persecuting her because I didn't want to be "wittenessed" to.
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By Eye in the Sky on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
They are trying to fulfill their own prophecy……they feel that if they are persecuted, it excuses their own wrongs.
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By jesus_is_for_morons on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
Christians want to divert the attention from those that are really being persecuted by them, to the christians themselves, christians are selfish ignorant people that toroture others and play the victim, just to divert the attention off of those they are hurting. Ive had pagan friends beaten nearly to death from christians, and it sickens me when they turn a blind eye and use the not a true christian excuse. The excuses are getting old.
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By valcus43 on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
Good point and Merry Christmas and happy Easter. No Vernal Equinox celebration, No days off for the Solstices. What kind of persecution is this, it is real persecution.
You would stand a better chance of getting elected if you were a gay Muslim in America than an atheist. Even though most people in America are atheists.
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By wussupmang on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
The Christian church grew the fastest while they were being persecuted, not when they were persecuting. (opposite of Islam) Christians are more persecuted because they are sharing their beliefs. When have you ever heard of an atheist going to Islam to evangelize? As far as persecution in America, it is minimal and usually the other way around.
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By Mahal on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
I make decisions that benefit me and my family. I don't care whether other people agree.
(Sort of eliminates the persecution thing in both directions, doesn't it?)
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By paulywog on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
ahhh this is a christian country and their taking God out.
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By Wise & Young on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
Many Christians are egotistical and see that they are right, and the only ones right when it comes to getting close to the Divine.
If they stepped back and read the Constitution, they would understand that this country is based upon Freedom of Religion….therefore, by having a prayer in school that represents a Christian framework, is against what our country stands for.
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By tychobrahe on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
They tell us all that the highly moral, deeply religious, prayerful Buddhist is going to hell, they call his ancient religion a cult, they tell him that God ignores his prayers. They tell us that God ignores the prayers of the deeply religious Jew and that he and his entire family are going to hell just for being Jewish. They tell us that anyone who believes in evolution is a atheist. Heck, many of them even tell us that anyone who doesn't believe in talking serpents is an atheist.
Then they wonder why people challenge them here.
Yes, I know. Not all Christians say these things. But those that do are the ones that get challenged. And they are the ones that do most of the whining about being persecuted.
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By ψ Dea¢δn ψ Knight on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
nobody likes them and they can't abide the thought that it might have something to do with their personality
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By ♪ThΣ PҺαη†oм Goδδess♪ on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
are Christians complaining about persecution?
that is hypocrisy don't you remember what Christian men did to all pagans burning us at the stake .
you Christians are a killers ! you raped and tortured in the name of your god!
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By Can of Beans on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
jesus was persecuted (in the story at least) and much of the literature is about overcoming this adversity, so christians kind of get off on being victims and some would argue they make themselves or play the victim in emulation of the story and culture they utilize.
This leads to the christian work ethic where they think that the harder something is the better it's rewards should or would be. They look for struggle and hard times. Where the rational thought would be that doing the same work easier would be better but no the christians want to suffer and through this suffering earn thier way.
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By Gothic Shadow on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
"You are persecuting me by not allowing me to persecute everybody else."
I have never heard it put so beautifully.
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By Dolores on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
You are right, if they don't have the dominance over things, then they see it as persecution. If any other faith gets the spotlight for a moment, they consider that to be persecution. If they aren't allowed to push their beliefs, they consider that to be persecution.
As for sending them to Muslim countries, I've been there, and they aren't persecuted there in the way the West may imagine. They live side by side there with Muslims.
Christians should make friends with people of other religions. Let these people tell the Christians what it's really like. Let these Christians actually witness a Muslim's life, a Jew's life, a Buddhist's life, etc.
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I've been persecuted from time to time for not being a Christian. I'm a Bahá'í.
By mel on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
This is quite amusing to me.
They very same people such as yourself would claim this country was NOT founded on such Christian beliefs.
When a Christian talks about persecution he/she should say ELIMINATION of our beliefs.
One nation under God . . . . . not Budda or Mohammed
Prayer before Congressional meetings . . . . . . .Prayer to whom?
Swearing on a Bible when taking an office . . . . . . . not the Holy Koran or The Book of Mormon.
I find it quite amusing to sit and read that "laws of the country are geared towards [my] beliefs". You in a nut shell have made my argument for me.
God Bless
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By Serena on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
Not everyone lives in America,you know.Why do you assume that every Christian talking about persecution hails from the USA?
As for your comment about persecution in other countries,I would like to see your statistics proving that 120,000 thousand atheists are martyred for their non-faith every year.
Those who are in the USA,I imagine that some Christians are not feeling too great when people keep calling them 'delusional' and 'idiotic' and certain events that indicate discrimination against their faith,where others are tolerated and even celebrated.
Since I am not from the USA,I cannot guarantee that my views on discrimination there are correct.They are merely observations from news items and commentary from my overseas friends.
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By crazypiro91 on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
I find that as a christian i am offended by the majority of Christians in the United states. It is true that all over the world our brothers are being slaughtered daily, because they are actually doing something, instead of wining about a permissive secular society. It is very true that we treat others like they are less than us because most of us are horribly arrogant. I have a friend that told me he was being pushed away from Christianity because of all the arrogant legalistic people inside the church. We need to get off our religious butts and do something productive for god, so that we actually have room to complain.
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By RoseWithin on Feb 17, 2007 | Reply
Why is it people like you are threatened by those of us who proclaim Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior?
No the laws are not governing the Christian belief. If that were so, then why have those who don't believe in God or prayer won in the courtrooms?
In some areas of America, people can't display the Nativity scene any more because it offends those that pass by them. Churches can't display the cross any more, because it offends those that pass by.
This country was founded on the Holy Bible. Even though it states "Holy Scripture" in the Constitution. Now they are questioning which "Holy Scriptures".
When this nation allowed a member of Congress to be sworn in on the Quran this past January, it as made a great huge statement that this country will become Muslim in the government. They teach the Quran in some colleges, next it will be taught in our grade schools. Yet not one of our public schools can have the Bible in the library.
Before God can help America, America needs to turn from her wicked ways. Over the last 20 years America has fallen, she's falling faster now then ever before.
If you think we as Christians are not getting persecuted for our belief here in America, you must be blind.
"Christians are increasingly being driven from public life, denied their First Amendment rights, and even actively discriminated against for their beliefs." http://www.apostle1.com/10-24-2005-christians_persecuted.htm
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For over 230 years it was the Bible that they swore on when taking any office seat. Now in the 21st Century we have those that are wanting to rewrite our Constitution… they come for foreign lands that have attacked the United States, and you call yourself an American? They are getting their ways every day by people like you allowing them to bring their ways to our land.
There was a town in Illinois that told them to remove the Navtity scene from the Plaza. Here read the article where the Officals state they don't want to favor any ONE religion. However, it was not until this period of time.. it ever came up. http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/11/27/459669-nativity-booted-from-ill-holiday-fair
"TVC Publishes Report On Anti-Christian ACLU
July 30, 2004 – The American Civil Liberties Union is on an anti-Christian campaign to remove all Christian symbols from public display.
The current effort to remove any vestige of Christianity from public life began back in the 1920s when the ACLU first gained political power in the United States. Its founder, Roger Baldwin, was a Unitarian socialist who supported Joseph Stalin and whose close friends included leaders of the Communist Party, USA, including a Soviet spy.
While attacking Christian symbols, the ACLU has also defended pornographers, child molesters, and homosexuals who wish to adopt children.
The head of the ACLU is Anthony Romero who took over leadership in 2001. Romero is described on the ACLU web site as an "openly gay" man. He formerly worked for the Ford Foundation where he funneled $90 million to leftist causes including anti-war, pro-abortion, homosexual, immigration reform, and feminist organizations.
TVC’s new report, "The ‘Anti-Christian’ Civil Liberties Union" describes the history and current objectives of the ACLU to strip our nation of its Christian heritage—and to defend the enemies of traditional morality." http://www.earstohear.net/aclu.html
"ACLU Continues Fight against Mt. Soledad Cross
August 26, 2006 08:05 AM EST" http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/17669.html
This site covers it all with the Supreme Courts ruling on it. Read it! http://www.aclu-tn.org/pdfs/briefer_religion_in_public_schools.pdf
Do you need more?
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