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		<title>By: Samalamlam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samalamlam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the last time,you can&#039;t group people by atheism, it&#039;s a lack of belief not a belief.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the last time,you can&#39;t group people by atheism, it&#39;s a lack of belief not a belief.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: CG</title>
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		<dc:creator>CG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An agenda is a sheet of paper giving details of a meeting.  I don&#039;t see how that can kill anyone.

Seriously, though, Communist persecution of religion is entirely because to follow a religion gives a person another allegiance, which undermines loyalty to the Communist state.  It&#039;s nothing to do with atheism in itself.  Communists are necessarily atheist as a result, but of course, not all atheists are Communists.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An agenda is a sheet of paper giving details of a meeting.  I don&#39;t see how that can kill anyone.</p>
<p>Seriously, though, Communist persecution of religion is entirely because to follow a religion gives a person another allegiance, which undermines loyalty to the Communist state.  It&#39;s nothing to do with atheism in itself.  Communists are necessarily atheist as a result, but of course, not all atheists are Communists.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: limerickdogred</title>
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		<dc:creator>limerickdogred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have never heard of atheist armies setting out to kill people who believe differently to them but i have heard of chritian armies doing that&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have never heard of atheist armies setting out to kill people who believe differently to them but i have heard of chritian armies doing that<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: wynnmanners</title>
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		<dc:creator>wynnmanners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communism &amp; atheism are most *certainly* linked.  Josef Stalin &amp; Mao Tze Tung were *atheists*.  10 million people were killed by an atheist agenda in the Soviet Union; 20 million were people killed by an atheist agenda in the Communist Revolution in China.  

The Bolsheviks sent Christians (the families of my grandparents on my mother&#039;s side) to Siberia to *die* -- because atheists would not tolerate their *religious* belief.  (They were basically Lutheran.  My grandparents&#039; parents had been &quot;White Russian&quot; migrants from Germany.  Catherine the Great gave them land if they&#039;d teach the natives better farming methods.  Grandpa escaped the Russian army camp where he&#039;d been inducted by crawling down the toilet hole in the outhouse at the army camp -- a guard was at the door -- &amp; hightailing it  to Germany!  He sent back for Grandma &amp; their 2 children.  His dad went *back* to Russia, from Canada, to get *his* wife, got caught &amp; got sent to Siberia.)

Persecution &amp; massive execution has happened fully as much from atheists as from theists.  It&#039;s time that atheists got *honest* about this.   Their criticism of the religions&#039; histories in this area is *valid*... but they need to &quot;fess up&quot; to the excesses of atheism, which are *equally* true.  

Contemporary atheistic *humanists* -- who really believe in the The Humanist Manifestos (humane documents, taking a stand for essential Human Rights) -- would, i am sure, *never* support persecution &amp; killing people in the manner of the atheistic Communist Revolutions &amp; the theistic Crusades, Inquisition, Witch Hunts &amp; Islamic jihads.

cf:

[Links below to Humanist Manifesto II &amp; The Affirmations of Humanism: A Statement of Principles.]]&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.php

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=main&amp;page=affirmations</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Communism &#038; atheism are most *certainly* linked.  Josef Stalin &#038; Mao Tze Tung were *atheists*.  10 million people were killed by an atheist agenda in the Soviet Union; 20 million were people killed by an atheist agenda in the Communist Revolution in China.  </p>
<p>The Bolsheviks sent Christians (the families of my grandparents on my mother&#39;s side) to Siberia to *die* &#8212; because atheists would not tolerate their *religious* belief.  (They were basically Lutheran.  My grandparents&#39; parents had been &quot;White Russian&quot; migrants from Germany.  Catherine the Great gave them land if they&#39;d teach the natives better farming methods.  Grandpa escaped the Russian army camp where he&#39;d been inducted by crawling down the toilet hole in the outhouse at the army camp &#8212; a guard was at the door &#8212; &#038; hightailing it  to Germany!  He sent back for Grandma &#038; their 2 children.  His dad went *back* to Russia, from Canada, to get *his* wife, got caught &#038; got sent to Siberia.)</p>
<p>Persecution &#038; massive execution has happened fully as much from atheists as from theists.  It&#39;s time that atheists got *honest* about this.   Their criticism of the religions&#39; histories in this area is *valid*&#8230; but they need to &quot;fess up&quot; to the excesses of atheism, which are *equally* true.  </p>
<p>Contemporary atheistic *humanists* &#8212; who really believe in the The Humanist Manifestos (humane documents, taking a stand for essential Human Rights) &#8212; would, i am sure, *never* support persecution &#038; killing people in the manner of the atheistic Communist Revolutions &#038; the theistic Crusades, Inquisition, Witch Hunts &#038; Islamic jihads.</p>
<p>cf:</p>
<p>[Links below to Humanist Manifesto II &#038; The Affirmations of Humanism: A Statement of Principles.]]<br /><b>References : </b><br /><a href="http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.php</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=main&#038;page=affirmations" rel="nofollow">http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=main&#038;page=affirmations</a></p>
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		<title>By: Skeptic Sage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skeptic Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should elaborate on your question, a little more.  Are you referring to an Atheist Agenda, or the agendas of some Atheists?  I know of a lot of Atheists who reject the Communist model of society.  I also know some that support it.  The Universal Atheist stance is that there is/are no God(s).  I, honestly, don&#039;t think that has killed anyone, other than the person who has taken that stance, at the hands of religious fundamentalists.

Edit: I think I know what you meant.  My point is, your generalization leaves too much to sepculation.  You need to elaborate on more than just anti-religious/theistic beliefs.  People in power, no matter what they believe or don&#039;t believe, will leave victims in their wake.  We have more in common than we have that is different.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Agnostic...Atheist, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should elaborate on your question, a little more.  Are you referring to an Atheist Agenda, or the agendas of some Atheists?  I know of a lot of Atheists who reject the Communist model of society.  I also know some that support it.  The Universal Atheist stance is that there is/are no God(s).  I, honestly, don&#39;t think that has killed anyone, other than the person who has taken that stance, at the hands of religious fundamentalists.</p>
<p>Edit: I think I know what you meant.  My point is, your generalization leaves too much to sepculation.  You need to elaborate on more than just anti-religious/theistic beliefs.  People in power, no matter what they believe or don&#39;t believe, will leave victims in their wake.  We have more in common than we have that is different.<br /><b>References : </b><br />Agnostic&#8230;Atheist, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a distinction without a difference.

I agree with the man (Steven Weinberg) who said:
&quot;With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.&quot;

Stalin was an evil person. He would have been evil whether or not he was an atheist.
The problem is with otherwise well-meaning people, who wouldn&#039;t normally do evil things, are led to do so by their religion. This is what doesn&#039;t happen with atheism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a distinction without a difference.</p>
<p>I agree with the man (Steven Weinberg) who said:<br />
&quot;With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.&quot;</p>
<p>Stalin was an evil person. He would have been evil whether or not he was an atheist.<br />
The problem is with otherwise well-meaning people, who wouldn&#39;t normally do evil things, are led to do so by their religion. This is what doesn&#39;t happen with atheism.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: old know all</title>
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		<dc:creator>old know all</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More people died in the 20th century from the actions of the atheist warlords Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot than had previously died of violence in the whole of recorded history.  The lie that religion has killed people shows that atheists are in denial.  Atheism has led to the abandonment of moral values and its byproducts are Aids and abortion.  Atheism is a pernicious superstition and death is its hallmark.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More people died in the 20th century from the actions of the atheist warlords Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot than had previously died of violence in the whole of recorded history.  The lie that religion has killed people shows that atheists are in denial.  Atheism has led to the abandonment of moral values and its byproducts are Aids and abortion.  Atheism is a pernicious superstition and death is its hallmark.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Eldiablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eldiablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communism and atheism are NOT synonymous. The Communist persecutions committed by the likes of Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao were made to consolidate personal political power for these megalomaniacs. Religions were abolished in  these men&#039;s countries because they were seen as COMPETITION that could erode their power. 

Nowhere in the whole history of mankind is a recording that a group of rabid atheists banded together, carrying the banner of &quot;Atheism&quot;, to commit murder and mayhem on theists. The REVERSE, however, is true (have we already forgotten 9/11?).

The uneducated jerks who insist that communism and atheism are &quot;linked&quot; are exactly that: Uneducated (and stupid, I might add).

To Sashmead2001: So churches in Russia went from 54,000 to 500 in the span of 24 years. What part of my answer &quot;Religions were abolished in these men&#039;s countries because they were seen as COMPETITION that could erode their power&quot; didn&#039;t you understand?

To Sashmead #2 - I guess the only way I can make you understand what I&#039;m trying to tell you is for you to actually read the biographies of the three biggest murderers of the 20th century (not counting the CHRISTIAN Hitler), where you will see that pure atheistic beliefs played no real part in their quest for power and glory. Btw, Stalin was raised a Christian. He didn&#039;t &quot;convert&quot; so much to atheism as much as he embraced the ideals of communism, which in the end was completely perverted and bastardized by him and his minions.

Hello again, Sashmead: Are you sure Hitler&#039;s views were generally anti-religious, or specifically anti-Semite? From what I remember he hated Jews with an abnormal passion, and his lifelong ambition was to create a purely &quot;Aryan&quot; race. He was not just a bigot against Jews, he was a White racist through and through.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Communism and atheism are NOT synonymous. The Communist persecutions committed by the likes of Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao were made to consolidate personal political power for these megalomaniacs. Religions were abolished in  these men&#39;s countries because they were seen as COMPETITION that could erode their power. </p>
<p>Nowhere in the whole history of mankind is a recording that a group of rabid atheists banded together, carrying the banner of &quot;Atheism&quot;, to commit murder and mayhem on theists. The REVERSE, however, is true (have we already forgotten 9/11?).</p>
<p>The uneducated jerks who insist that communism and atheism are &quot;linked&quot; are exactly that: Uneducated (and stupid, I might add).</p>
<p>To Sashmead2001: So churches in Russia went from 54,000 to 500 in the span of 24 years. What part of my answer &quot;Religions were abolished in these men&#39;s countries because they were seen as COMPETITION that could erode their power&quot; didn&#39;t you understand?</p>
<p>To Sashmead #2 &#8211; I guess the only way I can make you understand what I&#39;m trying to tell you is for you to actually read the biographies of the three biggest murderers of the 20th century (not counting the CHRISTIAN Hitler), where you will see that pure atheistic beliefs played no real part in their quest for power and glory. Btw, Stalin was raised a Christian. He didn&#39;t &quot;convert&quot; so much to atheism as much as he embraced the ideals of communism, which in the end was completely perverted and bastardized by him and his minions.</p>
<p>Hello again, Sashmead: Are you sure Hitler&#39;s views were generally anti-religious, or specifically anti-Semite? From what I remember he hated Jews with an abnormal passion, and his lifelong ambition was to create a purely &quot;Aryan&quot; race. He was not just a bigot against Jews, he was a White racist through and through.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Sica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Soviet Union wasn&#039;t communism any more than the Westboro Baptist church are Christian.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Soviet Union wasn&#39;t communism any more than the Westboro Baptist church are Christian.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: holeemel</title>
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		<dc:creator>holeemel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happen to be a friendly atheist!  Perhaps I can help you!  I am not a communist.  I have never killed people, nor do I have the desire to become a communist or kill people.  Have a nice day:)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to be a friendly atheist!  Perhaps I can help you!  I am not a communist.  I have never killed people, nor do I have the desire to become a communist or kill people.  Have a nice day:)<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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