Tragic Scenarios And Christian Morality – The Atheist Experience #616
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By retne3 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
Why is this marked …
Why is this marked as spam?
By hossrex on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
The humane thing is …
The humane thing is never to take life. Humanity insists that so long as life exists, there is still a chance to preserve that life.
I understand the philosophical question, that “you can’t save the person” is an integral part, but while you’re IN THAT SITUATION you DO NOT KNOW that saving the persons life is an impossibility, and thus since you didn’t know, taking that life, humane or not, is reprehensible.
I’m an atheist, but I shudder at the disregard for which some atheists have for life.
By AsEasyAsEasyIs on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
* “Atheists” lack …
* “Atheists” lack elementary language & coping skills. 92% of “atheists” were raised by prostitutes; the remaining 8% were raised by pimps.
* Source: 1999 study conducted by the Montana State Board of Back-Alley Trulls, with generous support from P.B.S. & the Walter Annenberg Foundation
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
Wow.
Someone …
Wow.
Someone got his toes stepped on.
Now you resort to baseless accusations. Strawman much?
By FitoSaav on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
Y’all shut up? or …
Y’all shut up? or take it somewhere else?
Trying to watch the show
-eats popcorn-
By Speegs23 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
its all in your …
its all in your head, your perceptions affect me in no way, reality is what you make of it, remember?
Just because you dont know what you believe nor why you believe it doesn’t mean you’ve been misunderstood, its just that fact about you has been pointed out.
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
You’re the one not …
You’re the one not making sense. AND you’re assuming things you don’t know diddly about.
Enjoy your suppositions and assumptions. They only reflect your worldview.
By Speegs23 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
What is truth in a …
What is truth in a relative world, you make no sense.
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
You still have no …
You still have no grasp of my worldview.
Thank you for assuming all sorts of things that are untrue.
Enjoy your day.
By Speegs23 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
I’m not a nihilist, …
I’m not a nihilist, but your worldview leads to it, that’s all i was exposing, the natural conclusion of relativism which leads to social darwinism which is first legitimized by adopting man as the final authority of the human condition, unaccountable to anything but themselves as you’ve stated by making yourself subject to private truth as the final indicator of reality.
By Speegs23 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
Yeah, i’m afraid …
Yeah, i’m afraid that’s just a bit lazy.
Thinking something does not legitimize it or transform it into reality.
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
Fine.
Enjoy your …
Fine.
Enjoy your nihilism.
By Speegs23 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
What I have …
What I have uncovered is presuppositions you haven’t even considered present but have used just the same.
For instance feigning neutrality, i assure you you were not neutral when you came to the conversation, you had your views and were not a blank slate.
Besides assumptions are merely perception according to what you’ve stated, what does it matter what i perceive or suppose since its a private truth? To think i have no idea is meaningless since all is relative.
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
LOL……if you …
LOL……if you think that is how it is, then that is how it is.
Enjoy that!
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
Once again, you’re …
Once again, you’re assuming you have a grasp on my ideas and beliefs when you simply do not.
And once again, the mere fact of existence is justification for existence. Value is in perception.
Why should I justify a view you seem to have drawn from out of left field? It has nothing to do with anything I’ve mentioned.
By Speegs23 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
We’ve come full …
We’ve come full circle, what is the point of anything? i am the determiner of my own worth and existence assumes a certain amount of autonomy yet I did wish myself into existence but now i determine my purpose?
All is relative in meaning and therefore nothing really meaningful because my meaning can counter or trump your meaning, so social darwinism is suitable as it merely practices what nature, we presume, does already so why restrain it.
Nihilism wins, humanity is nothing.
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
You assume too much …
You assume too much and are dragging ideas and suppositions into this discussion that weren’t imposed. You are assuming you know what I think and believe when you really, really have no idea.
For my part, this conversation WAS entered into with neutrality. It’s unfortunate that you can’t seem to manage that.
By Speegs23 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
Its built into your …
Its built into your view, i’m trying to get you to recognize that presupposition.
So evolution is qualified on the basis of empiricism so how do you prove humanity is valuable empirically?
Many people are saying humanity is destroying the planet and is better off dead, how do you counter their assertions since they use empirical evidence, no matter how twisted, to justify that view?
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
So what is your …
So what is your point?
By Speegs23 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
Too often as you …
Too often as you did with science, superiority is claimed without qualification.
By Speegs23 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
Again, the …
Again, the presuppostions of that are not tackled. So empiricism alone is the final authority of all in the universe? Man himself is the final authority of all? I’m aware of how nuanced it is, i’m still dealing with presuppositions here because you seem to think this conversation was entered on neutral grounds, it was not; we need to widdle down to a commonality, identify the divergent suppostions and see how they have led to different analysis and views.
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
If everything is …
If everything is based on perspective, then, yes, your purpose as a lifeform is subject to your own opinion. However, that doesn’t change the fact that your mere existence justifies your existence.
I never mentioned autonomy……you’re assuming again. However, once again, you decide the perameters of autonomy. Personally, because we are all interconnected and interrelated, no one and nothing is autonomous.
By Speegs23 on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
No my dear, i …
No my dear, i politely disagree, all that is different is the worldview, one declares absolute authority to God the other to man. Science is as unapologetic as the vatican to rescind fallacy.
Evolutionists are often on a religious crusade against those that disagree with their worldview.
Hitchins, Harris and Dawkins certainly are but under the banner of humanism or science they fool some into thinking they are irreligious.
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
Evolutionary theory …
Evolutionary theory is considered more trustworthy because there is scientific proof for its existence. SOME theists are considered anti-intellectual and unstable, but certainly not all.
Again, you’re trying to make it all black and white. It’s much more nuanced than you seem to realize.
By ciaochowbella on Aug 16, 2009 | Reply
You’re confusing …
You’re confusing the dogma of creationists with those who believe in evolution. Creationists are the ones who aren’t open to debate and challenge. Evolution, because it is science, is constantly being questioned and challenged. This is the nature of scientific study.