Morality or Obedience?
Written by admin on March 7, 2009 – 11:07 am -
I address the common attack on atheists: “You’re morality has no meaning.” By meaning they really mean origin. And a cursory look at the origins of their morality will reveal that they are throwing stones from a glass house.
Duration : 0:2:31
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Posted in Morality and Atheism | 25 Comments »
By castb4u on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Technically yeah …
Technically yeah the bible was written but it contains laws and standards that held to back to beginning of time ………according to bible…..this includes the era of greek philosophers and so on……regardless if the bible was written before or after this era…….the same God and standard of morality given for humankind was given since the beginning
By Nykytyne2 on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
So before the bible …
So before the bible was written there was no morality? The ancient Greek philosophers based their ethics on a bible that hadn’t yet been written? I don’t think so.
By castb4u on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
you say your …
you say your morality comes from genuineness to do good,,,,hehe without the bible morality would not even know what standards in which to hold itself up to….bible gave us law especially moral….ppl who want to kill and rape truly are on bottom of morality ladder but everyone that opposes to do good everyday finds their feet on an immoral path eventually ….the key is not to follow the path rather stay on the path of enlightenment of a good and moral life…..not bad or evil things
By GriffinPilgrim on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Damn right!
right!
By VadimDubois on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
PWNED!!!!
PWNED!!!!
By Mitchillio on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
“If people are good …
“If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.” – Albert Einstein
Need I say more? Another quote that always brings a smile to my face is from someone who isn’t quite so famous. He was just some guy on Yahoo Answers.
“That fellow needs a good swift kick in his reality gland.” – Bozo No-No (AKA Boris) – Y!A
Not exactly full of wisdom but it makes me laugh every time I read it.
By TartanSpartan72 on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Very well said man. …
Very well said man. You voice my own thoughts.
You’re also hot!
By topquarkbln on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
amazing, that was …
amazing, that was clear, focused and sympathetic. some people needed to read a lot of books on philosophy to get there…
did you?
By Domzdream on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Well said man. I’m …
Well said man. I’m also sick and tired of teaching it to theists this angle. It’s so obvious but they just cannot see it. Or don’t want to. I’m actually starting to think that theists are a bit dumber than atheists due to not getting it. There’s theistic brainwashing, sure, but there’s eventually observable evidence and obviousness. How can they not get it? I just don’t know.
By formless777 on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
You are right, …
You are right, obedience is not faith. Faith is the collar on which the chain of obedience is hooked. The Bible demands faith because it cannot provide proof. God is a cruel master who says love me, obey me, have faith in me, or else… It is classic carrot/stick rubbish which only works on the intensely gullible.
By thruthem on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Cool.
We are …
Cool.
We are winning!
The world is atheist except for the most backward places:
yesnogod (dot) com
By DblOSmith on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Pfft… You just …
Pfft… You just don’t support the troops.
By RayTide9 on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Well as of now the …
Well as of now the way we define it yes, but in the Bible slavery is voluntary.
By Cimbolic on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
I doubt that …
I doubt that slavery was voluntary. Otherwise, it would be called “employment”, not “slavery”.
By RayTide9 on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Yes, they did what …
Yes, they did what God told them, you can find that as obedience. But God actually reached out to those people as the Old Testament says. They followed him and found that it was good. I’m not sure about the whole rape concept people find from the bible but slavery in the bible was not forced onto people. Those slaves were unlucky people or just could have no labor or place to go to, so they offer themselves as slaves and the people who take them in offer them a place in return for their work.
By Cimbolic on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Actually, I was …
Actually, I was thinking of the Old Testament, rather than the new one.
Original Sin, Abraham & Issac, etc.
By RayTide9 on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
We are naturally …
We are naturally good people with the will to survive.
By RayTide9 on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Well I don’t …
Well I don’t believe Christianity is centered on obedience but love. People having a good nature can be treated as the ability to love one another God has given us. Obedience is not faith. This is all merely a misunderstanding.
By Cimbolic on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
RayTide,
Perhaps …
RayTide,
Perhaps it is ridiculous. But blind obedience is strongly emphasized and rewarded in the Bible. Disobedience is punished.
By RayTide9 on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Well it really is …
Well it really is not.
That is totally ridiculous
By DragonMage on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Wouldn’t that send …
Wouldn’t that send you to hell??? I mean correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought you were supposed to not judge and respect your fellow man. I mean according to your book you just damned yourself. Have fun in hell.
By 19lfm12 on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Morality must come …
Morality must come from within; what some would call “conscience”. The key to the latter word is: “conscious”…as in “consciously formed”. And of your own free will.
Otherwise it is as you say – mere obedience to external dictates. Done out of fear, for societal approval. This breeds hypocrisy, as it is merely external – for show, and not genuine.
Whether one is religious or not, you must form your OWN morality, and then act in coherance with it!
By spardaking on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
well, i lie allot …
well, i lie allot because of something your god calls original sin, it is a thing even your religion supports and knows is unchangeable even through the eyes of a omnipotent omniscient leader of the world, lying is an unchangeable thing, i cannot help lying, i can help lying to myself though, lying that the only reason i even believed in a religion is though fear of punishment as this video so rightly states! ps. learn to use letters when letters are what you seek
By Cimbolic on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
My impression is …
My impression is that the Theist morality boils down to one thing: OBEDIENCE.
By Cimbolic on Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
Excellent video.
Excellent video.