19 Responses to “Definition of faith:Hebrews 11:6 or the atheist definition("blind faith")? And why?”

1. By AJ on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

   So you hope for a heaven though there is no evidence it exists… keep hoping 'cause it ain't' happening!

   Proverbs 14:15
   The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.

   Atheists don't hope God isn't real! You really don't have a clue do you?

   Blind faith is needed in order to believe the Bible – the Bible is absurdly ridiculous!

   Jeremiah 4:10
   Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
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2. By ryoma136 on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

   The word "Faith" itself does not always denote religion, you twit.

   And no, I do not "hope" that God doesn't exist. I just hope that this God who would kick the shit out of me because I didn't kiss his ass because that's how he made me doesn't exist.
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3. By hog b on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

   I can't remember the exact verse, I'll add it, but there is in one of the gospels that to believe without personally witnessing is even more blessed.
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4. By Joe F on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

   Both are true. In how christians view their faith, atheists nailed it.

   It's the difference between "this is true" (blind faith) and "I hope this is true" (your example of how we all use faith). Instead, I just use the word "hope" for what to call the second.
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5. By discombobulated on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

   Using the bible to prove something. Nope. Trying using Webster's dictionary.
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6. By Zee on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

   There's a difference though, Faith isn't hoping for things, it's putting belief in things that have absolutely no grounding in fact or even logic.

   Consider the circular logic of "I believe in the bible because it is the word of god; I believe in god because the bible says to" has no grounding, period. And therefore is a faith-based assumption.

   Lots of people have difficulty in suspecting critical thinking for that kind of faith.
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7. By novangelis on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

   The two definitions are one and the same. The word "and" means you have to meet both criteria. Meeting one criterion does not cut it.
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   Basic logic

8. By Tzadiq on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

   Was there a point to this question?
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9. By Fireball226 on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

   Hebresw 11:6 thanks love it
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10. By idahomike3 on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

    Faith not based on Fact is fantacy… for those of The True Christian Faith our Faith is based on our personal knowledge of what God had done for us. Because we have that personal knowledge of God…we know The Truth of God for Fact… we have Faith that what He tells us, and promises us, will come to be…. God is The Evidence of thiings not yet seen.
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11. By Chippy v1.0.0.3b on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

    i wouldnt say you have blind faith. id say you are blind to the truth.
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12. By djmantx on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

    Faith is not blind. Those that love and seek the truth receive a gift from God called faith and through faith comes revelation and a personal relationship with God.
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13. By Jon M on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

    Not an athiest, so just my opinion here: Real faith is the Hebrews 11 thing.

    Blind faith is something different. It is telling yourself you believe in something just because you're afraid if you don't believe it, something bad will happen.

    Blind faith is being afraid to think about what it is you're having faith in because you're afraid it can't stand up to thought: if you think about it too much, you'll realize it's all baloney, and that's scary.

    Blind faith is weak faith.

    I question God all the time. I figure he gave me a brain and expects me to use it. I don't always get answers, but I get satisfaction a LOT.
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14. By I-o-d-tiger on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

    How can one have faith if they have not heard and how can they hear if they have stopped up their ears? Reading/studying God's Word brings about faith
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    http://www.mostamazingprophecies.com/Resources/ProgramArchives/tabid/165/Default.aspx

15. By Mim on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

    once you know Jesus you can have the answers you need.
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16. By Gods child on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

    true
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17. By B on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

    Lets study a little more first in the Bible the scripture is Hebrew 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence fo things not seen.

    Verse 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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18. By Pedestal42 on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

    You are quoting Hebrews 11:1, not 6, and it is incredibly unhelpful in the debate about faith, given the different ways it can be interpreted.

    "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." NIV

    "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." NASB

    " Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." KJV.

    Note that "evidence " in the KJV has changed its meaning, and doesn't connect to our current usage of the word.

    Which comes first? The assurance that leads to faith, or the faith that generates assurance?
    If the first, what is that assurance based on…?
    If the second, what is the faith based on, besides itself?

    Sorry, Hebrews 11:1, often quoted, does not easily or conveniently settle things.
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19. By astryd13 on Aug 1, 2007 | Reply

    I see it as BLIND faith but I don't deny my "substance of things hoped for…".
    The reason I see it as BLIND faith is because of our freedom of choice and our everyday contact with those things in which we have faith in that may or may not have been tainted, disrupted, and/or tampered with by nonbelievers or those of ill will… simply put, evil/negativity.
    The only resolution that I can think of to that is to have faith and ASK God to guide you and give you wisdom as you journey through the path of life. Hence, have faith in God…and the not yet seen or proven.
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